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jackie · Jan 08, 2008, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Why did people "ohh" and "ahh" over the Bonus Mission Pack weapons? Because they look cool.

Mounts are just another development of your character in WoW. And there are times in Guild Wars when going from one end of an instance to another that a mount would be helpful...

I actually hope GW2 goes one step further and allows you to fight from mounts!

Age of Conan will include fighting with mounts, interesting to see how that turns out. Excuse me for being off-topic please continue ;p

zwei2stein · Jan 08, 2008, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

... diablo is a knock off of DnD. ...

Correction: Diablo is a weak knock off of Angbad/Adom family of games. (read removed and simplified a LOT of features and gameplay, added pwetty graphics, was lucky enough to leave what causes those games to be addictive in.

AW Lore · Jan 08, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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I actually hope GW2 goes one step further and allows you to fight from mounts!

ohh i just hope they dont, really.
last thing i would want is the need to have to buy some mount to be able to play part of the game, unless they provide the mount for free.

Mordakai · Jan 08, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by AW Lore

ohh i just hope they dont, really.
last thing i would want is the need to have to buy some mount to be able to play part of the game, unless they provide the mount for free.

A mount quest would be the optimal solution.

tmr819 · Jan 08, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Look, this is a very trivial example, but for some reason just by breaking the XP bar into smaller brick size bars, it gives the illusion you are leveling faster. (There's actually add-ons in WoW that makes the XP bar more traditional, so obviously not everyone likes it).

As for "you have y / x items" notifier: it's right there in your screen, no need to go to your quest log. For me at least, that was a nice touch. Totally superfluous, but the less I have to open up menus the better...

Agreed on both counts. The quest tracking feature wasn't there in WoW originally; it was added as part of one of WoW's many upgrade patches. Blizzard also amended the flight paths in a patch, so that now you can chart a flight from point A to C via point B without actually having to stop at point B and "change planes", which was highly irritating -- glad they fixed that! Now, at least, if you have a long flight ahead, you can set it off and go make yourself a sandwich... (I still think the flights in WoW, while initially quite fun, get really REALLY old. Moreover, people that might be willing to help you with a quest are reluctant to do so because it takes so long to get anywhere in WoW.

In GW, they can be by your side literally in a few seconds.)

WoW is continually making minor UI improvements and adding nifty features. I have to give them great credit for that. While ArenaNet does the same, they don't seem (in my opinion) as attuned to player concerns and feedback as the Blizzard team. That is probably part of the "subscription fee dynamic" of ongoing service.

ArenaNet does nice things for players who have purchased the game, too, adding improvements here and there, and it's obviously good customer relations to do so, but there is much less of a sense, I expect, of having any actual obligation to make continual improvements in quite the way that WoW does. In general, I would give WoW higher marks for "customer care" than ArenaNet, and, I guess, that's just a corollary of the free-to-play business model vs. paying a subscription fee.

bart · Jan 09, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by AW Lore

ohh i just hope they dont, really.
last thing i would want is the need to have to buy some mount to be able to play part of the game, unless they provide the mount for free.

Ppl don't appreciate things that are free. Make mounts hard to obtain and ppl would clamor over them just like any other rare items/pets in-game. I seriously think that mounts would be a good replacement for pets in GW2.

Hyper Cutter · Jan 09, 2008, 06:08 AM // 06:08

I'd like to see more "mounts" in GW2 along the lines of EotN's Siege Devourer (ie they zone with you). Those things are a fun mechanic.

freekedoutfish · Jan 09, 2008, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by bart

Ppl don't appreciate things that are free. Make mounts hard to obtain and ppl would clamor over them just like any other rare items/pets in-game. I seriously think that mounts would be a good replacement for pets in GW2.

Sorry but I find that statement hilarious concidering the mentality of some threads in the guru concerning "obtaining things ingame".

How many threads do we get a week going along the lines of..

"I want something made easier to do or attain because Im basically lazey and can't be bothered to go about it the normal way." and then they pull out the "grind" word to defend their opinion.

...I can think of one which asked for all outposts to be made instantly available to new players, another asking for exploration to be made easier with % marks on all zones, another asking for ALL titles to be account based.

If they added mounts to this game and put limitations on how we attain them, or made it a challenge then we would soon have people complaining...

"It takes far to much grind to get a mount"

...and protests asking for it to be made easier!

A majority of players simply dont like being asked to work for stuff in pve and they would call blue-murder if mounts were made hard to get.

tmr819 · Jan 09, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

"It takes far to much grind to get a mount"

...and protests asking for it to be made easier!

A majority of players simply dont like being asked to work for stuff in pve and they would call blue-murder if mounts were made hard to get.

"Working to get" and "grinding to get" can be two very different things.

(1) "Working to get" implies -- to me, anyway -- accomplishing some difficult task(s), such as a long quest line or whatever -- to gain something worthwhile: e.g., coming up with the gold for a mount in WoW or completing a difficult quest line for a mount in WoW.

(2) "Grinding to get" implies having to do some tedious and insanely repetitious task in order to gain something worthwhile: e.g., the repeated farming of dungeons in WoW in order to hopefully complete some armor set or other (or farming for some kinds of rep in either WoW or GW

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The fundamental distinction is not whether the process is difficult or not but whether it is tedious and boring or not. A game, by definition and if designed properly, should be fun to play after all.

I actually think the mount system in WoW is handled well, though I do think the epic mounts are still overpriced there. Mount quest lines would have been a better way to go, in my opinion. I wonder how GW2 is going to handle this....

freekedoutfish · Jan 09, 2008, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by tmr819

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I agree a persons perspective of grind is terminded by whether they find an activity fun, but unfortunately that is subjective to the individual and their mentality to some degree.

I think if GW2 had mounts, it would work very differently to WoW and use that Anet flavour.

1) All mounts would probably cost the same.
2) All mounts would move the same speed.
3) You would probably get mount armor to change their apearance (including elite) if you wanted them to look spiffy, but you wouldnt be forced into using them as all mount armor would have the same max levels.

Aslong as Anet adds their touch to it, Ill be happy if they use Mounts. I just dont want the WoW system copied of having faster mounts being more expensive or needing skills to ride them and rubbish.

Keep it nice and simple and fun like Anet always does!

But i wouldnt hold out on hoping for mounts tbh. That all depends if they copy the instance system or use a world based system.

Mordakai · Jan 10, 2008, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

But i wouldnt hold out on hoping for mounts tbh. That all depends if they copy the instance system or use a world based system.

Not sure if you are talking about GW2, but GW2 will have both Instances and Persistant areas.

And I don't think mounts should replace "mapping" to different cities, that is currently what I miss about GW. (I have several quests in WoW that I can't be bothered to complete, because it would either cost a lot to move around and get all of them via flight paths, or it would take too much time).

freekedoutfish · Jan 10, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Not sure if you are talking about GW2, but GW2 will have both Instances and Persistant areas.

And I don't think mounts should replace "mapping" to different cities, that is currently what I miss about GW. (I have several quests in WoW that I can't be bothered to complete, because it would either cost a lot to move around and get all of them via flight paths, or it would take too much time).

Dont get me wrong, I agree completely! I love the non-complicatedness of GW and one of those aspects is the ability to teleport to locations.

WoW makes up for this with party portals to bring people to the same location if they are too far away. But we just dont need that or mounts tbh because the instances are never too big to just walk through in a few minutes.

Jeremy Untouchable · Jan 10, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Goog frog and flog, no mounts for the love of pete. /gwfanboymode off

Icey · Jan 11, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

I've played both, and the only things I don't like about WOW is the monthly fees and the ugly cartoony graphics. If WOW had no monthly fee and had GW graphics, I'd be playing WOW over GW.

Articus Red · Jan 11, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

I've played both as well. I currently play Guild Wars and that has been my original RPG game that I started playing. The thing I like about Guild Wars is that there is a campaign to follow and I love doing the missions and following the story wondering whats going to happen next. Lol sounds kind of lame huh? Yeah but thats why I love rpg games. In WoW I tend to not know where to go and start off cause you can do whatever you want. I like in GW in the PvE you can just follow the campaign missions and that will lead you throughout the game.

obsidian ectoplasm · Feb 25, 2008, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by freaky naughty

Alright you're pretty retarded for saying that.
Brittney Spears sold more records than Black Sabbath does that make Spears more talented than Black Sabbath members? FU$K NO! I'd bet a hundred bucks that if GW had more players than WoW you'd be saying that sales don't matter. The Sims sold way more than WoW did does that make The Sims better than WoW. Stop being a retard and take your retarded logic elsewhere.

Couldent of said it better myself.

and i also think wow has more people/sells because its actually advertised...

I think if people actually knew about GW it would be as big or even bigger than WoW

Ork Pride · Feb 25, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by freaky naughty

Alright you're pretty retarded for saying that.
Brittney Spears sold more records than Black Sabbath does that make Spears more talented than Black Sabbath members? FU$K NO! I'd bet a hundred bucks that if GW had more players than WoW you'd be saying that sales don't matter. The Sims sold way more than WoW did does that make The Sims better than WoW. Stop being a retard and take your retarded logic elsewhere.

Black Sabbath is a terrible band with no talent.

Bryant Again · Feb 25, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by Ork Pride

Black Sabbath is a terrible band with no talent.

This is pretty much the GW vs. WoW fight in a nutshell (although the only side that seems to be causing all the ruckus is GW...)

Loviatar · Feb 25, 2008, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Since she was able to write an unbias, well reasoned comparison thread. I thought “I’ve played both Guild Wars and World of Warcraft, perhaps I could write a similarly rational thread as well.”

considering your constant anti GW WOWis my game now posts i stopped right there.

anti everything GW Zinger make a fair compatison that wasnt slanted?

Trub · Feb 25, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

This is pretty much the GW vs. WoW fight in a nutshell (although the only side that seems to be causing all the ruckus is GW...)

GW forum...i dunno why.
*shrug*